Advocate NL 11/6/26
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The opening statement as prepared was provided by the American Foundation for Equal Rights.
Judge Walker denied Proposition 8 proponents' motion requesting Walker reconsider going to trial over the federal case challenging the discriminatory initiative. In an oral order, Walker rejected Baker v. Nelson as precedent, a case decided by the Minnesota Supreme Court in 1972 limiting marriage to between opposite-sex couples."We can't put very much stock in that case, can we?" Walker asked Cooper. The ruling in Baker v. Nelson had not been a considered opinion, Walker said, but rather issued without comment. Plus it was old, he said, and the facts weren't the same.Ouch for Cooper. Though we already knew this, Cooper and Prop 8 proponents will do anything to avoid going to trial because 1) They obviously don't know how to defend Prop 8 by strict scrutiny and 2) They really don't want to hand over internal campaign documents, which they've been ordered to do and are appealing. Must be some good stuff in those docs.
Same-sex-marriage attorney Theodore Olson of Gibson Dunn & Crutcher was quick to reinforce Walker's doubts.
"The points you made in your questions are points I would make," Olson said.
Beyond outright dismissal, Walker is also about make the consequential decision about which standard of review will apply during the January trial. And while he didn't give a clear indication of his leanings this morning, he did a good job of demonstrating the stakes.
Prop 8 defenders think a rational basis should prevail, while same sex marriage advocates argue for stricter level of scrutiny. Cooper rested much of his argument on the notion that the state has a rational basis to promote opposite sex marriages, in order to further procreation.
At one point, though, Walker posited a hypothetical: assuming he agrees with Cooper on that point, how does permitting same sex couples to marry adversely affect that interest?
After some back and forth, Cooper eventually conceded: "The answer is, I don't know. I don't know."
"Does that mean if it's not rational basis review, you lose?" Walker asked.
"No."
"You just haven't figured out how to win on that level," the chief judge surmised.
Find Law News reports that Charles Cooper, lawyer for the proponents of Prop 8 in the federal case working to overturn the measure, has filed a motion for summary judgment in an effort to avoid going to trial.This raised the ire of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher partner Theodore Olson [representing plaintiffs hoping to end Prop 8].Michael Ginsborg writes on his very helpful blog Proposition 8 and the Right to Marry that Judge Walker allowed the Prop 8 proponents to file the brief; however he does address Ted Olson's objections that the motion was filed late and was 98 pages, well beyond the usual 25 page limit. In response, Walker will allow Olson and legal team to write an equally long rebuttal.
Northern District rules only allow for such requests before the filing deadline, not on the day of, Olson wrote in papers filed Thursday.
“Principal briefs filed before the United States Supreme Court on significant constitutional questions are limited to well under half the length requested here,” he wrote, adding that it isn’t fair for the plaintiffs to have to oppose such a lengthy motion in 14 days.
Cooper argues in papers that the fat briefs are warranted, “in light of the profound importance of the institution of marriage and the complexity of the issues involved.”
Should Chief Judge Vaughn Walker decide to accept the motion as is, he will read Cooper’s request to resolve the case before trial. Since the U.S. Supreme Court already forbid same-sex marriages decades ago, the defense contends that Walker must hew to that precedent and reject the plaintiffs’ constitutional claims.
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As for the merits of the summary judgment motion, “I don’t think there’s anything in here that we haven’t heard before, or that will stand up,” Gibson, Dunn partner Christopher Dusseault said.
Posted on the New York Times blog, Room for Debate, a question was posed to four legal experts in regards to the Ted Olson and David Boies federal case against Prop 8, "Is this the right time to go to a conservative Supreme Court with such a controversial issue — one that even President Obama has shied away from?"
Northern California District Court Judge Vaughn Walker will reside over the first big hearing today concerning the federal case challenging Proposition 8. A prior hearing was procedural. Not only will Judge Walker determine whether or not to agree with the Plaintiffs to hold the first bench trial on a same-sex marriage case and to deny the Defendant's request to hold only a "paper" trial, he will also rule on whether or not the city of San Francisco and several other LGBT organizations, such as PFLAG and the Our Family Coalition, can intervene and be added as Plaintiffs.In documents filed with the court in advance of the hearing, defenders of Proposition 8 cited slain San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk as evidence that LGBT political power is “substantial” enough to undermine plaintiffs’ constitutional challenges to Prop. 8. They also question the quality of LGBT families and say Proposition 8 is appropriate because discrimination against the LGBT community is “increasingly rare.”In a timely and fascinating piece released today, the New York Times profiles conservative lawyer Ted Olson, who helped George W. Bush win the presidency in the Supreme Court case Bush vs. Gore, facing off his current co-counsel David Boies, and then went on to serve under Bush's administration as Solicitor General.
At the hearing, attorneys Olson and Boies – on behalf of plaintiffs Kris Perry & Sandy Stier, and Paul Katami & Jeff Zarrillo -- will argue for a proceeding that demonstrates that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional “under any standard of review,” and that any facts that cannot be resolved in plaintiffs’ favor as a matter of law be decided through a full and public trial. Defenders of Proposition 8 say “a trial is not necessary,” even as to hotly disputed facts.
"Granting the right to marry would not damage, inhibit, or impair any rights of individuals who wish to marry persons of the opposite sex or otherwise impair any legitimate state interest. Prop. 8 is therefore unconstitutional under any standard of review," Olson and Boies wrote in court filings.
Despite their call for a 'paper' trial, defendants are asking that the judge not hear oral arguments until July 2010 at the earliest, while Olson and Boies, citing the ongoing violation of constitutional rights caused by Proposition 8, are requesting a trial starting in December 2009.
The Defenders of Prop. 8 “urge the Court not to follow the steps through which trial courts traditionally build factual records and decide cases— discovery, followed by motions for summary judgment, followed by trial,” according to papers filed with the court by Olson and Boies. A paper trial of disputed facts is “neither just nor efficient. It would deprive Plaintiffs of the opportunity to build a complete factual record, to present their case through live witness testimony, and to cross-examine in open court those who seek to defend and justify the denial of their constitutional rights. It would similarly deprive the Court of the opportunity to question fact and expert witnesses and to assess their credibility in Court.”
This is the second hearing in the case since it was filed in late May. In an order issued just prior to the July 2 hearing, Judge Vaughn R. Walker of the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, said: "Given that serious questions are raised in these proceedings ... the court is inclined to proceed directly and expeditiously to the merits of plaintiffs' claims. ... The just, speedy and inexpensive determination of these issues would appear to call for proceeding promptly to trial.”
Perry, Stier, Katami and Zarrillo comprise two same-sex couples who wish to be married but, because of Proposition 8, have been denied marriage licenses.
“This unequal treatment of gays and lesbians denies them the basic liberties and equal protection under the law that are guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution,” their suit states.
According to the suit, Proposition 8:
• Violates the Due Process Clause by impinging on fundamental liberties
• Violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
• Singles out gays and lesbians for a disfavored legal status, thereby creating a category of “second-class citizens.”
• Discriminates on the basis of gender.
• Discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation.
After reading the federal Prop 8 Case Management Statements filed Friday from both the Olson/Boies team and the Yes on 8 crowd, including several others from interested parties, Judge Walker decided to wipe the slate clean and demanded they start over.
If you're wondering why the news and media are once again reporting on the internal conflict between the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER) and LGBT legal organizations Lambda Legal and NCLR, including ACLU, it's because late Friday, the legal team of Ted Olson and David Boies who are behind the federal case against Proposition 8, filed two motions yesterday. One was their case management statement, which I'll touch on later, and the second was their motion opposing the LGBT organizations (referred to as "Our Family Coalition") intervention of the case.CCF [the defendant's intervenor] previously sought to intervene in Strauss v. Horton, 46 Cal.4th 364 (2009), but Yes on 8 publicly opposed its intervention, and its attorney, Andrew Pugno, filed a letter of letter of opposition on November 18, 2008. The California Supreme Court denied CCF's intervention motion, which Liberty Counsel filed on its behalf. At the time, ADF did not represent Yes on 8, but rather filed amicus briefing for the Family Research Council.So for all of us who are concerned about the airing of our dirty laundry, with the squabbling and bickering, here's a little bit of comfort. We're not alone. With stakes this high, both sides are bound to have disagreements.
Shortly after the election in November 2008, Yes on 8 sent its supporters an e-mail on why CCF could not be trusted to intervene. The controversy will sound familiar to those who have followed the latest AFER contratemps over gay rights organizations that initially opposed a federal challenge to Prop. 8:
"Campaign for California Families...actually campaigned against Proposition 8 until a short time before the election," the email read. "Since we are the only organization representing the official proponents and the campaign committee that was responsible for passing Prop 8, allowing outside groups to participate in the defense of Prop 8 will only harm our chances of success." (11/20/08 SF Weekly)
Thanks to Michael Petrelis and his due diligence, he has been able to secure a transcript of the July 2nd hearing of the federal case against Proposition 8, where Ted Olson made his appearance representing the plaintiffs, basically us. The defendants in the case is the State of California, but since Gov. Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown are against Proposition 8, those responsible for the initiative stepped in to intervene and defend it. Judge Vaughn Walker (pictures) presided.