tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post653414661002638817..comments2024-03-08T09:33:41.443-08:00Comments on Unite the Fight: CA Marriage Equality Leadership Summit an Utter Failure - Shame On All of UsPhillip Mintonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06680426451733583939noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-54802394059247255412019-10-27T12:03:31.928-07:002019-10-27T12:03:31.928-07:00This is such a great resource that you are providi...This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free. I love seeing blog that understand the value of providing a quality resource for free. <a href="https://forgefinancialfreedom.com/index.php/how-to-establish-yourself-as-a-leader/" rel="nofollow">leadership types</a><br />saadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05413268360317156267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-65634414762642153362016-02-16T19:44:23.351-08:002016-02-16T19:44:23.351-08:00This is wonderful! I feel so proud ;)This is wonderful! I feel so proud ;)Adamhttp://www.adam4adam.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-21429327443355695212009-07-31T11:59:22.945-07:002009-07-31T11:59:22.945-07:00*sigh*
The self-appointed LGBT "leadership&...*sigh* <br /><br />The self-appointed LGBT "leadership" would get a lot more support and respect from me if it, as a whole, weren't so in love with the idea of retaining power over the rest of us -- those of us they're supposed to be working <i>for</i>. <br /><br />My wife and I donated way too much money, did our volunteer work, and put our complete trust in the No On 8 "Sapphocrathttp://news.lavenderliberal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-42527740116291940162009-07-28T19:34:23.011-07:002009-07-28T19:34:23.011-07:00We cannot reasonably do this in 2010 and expect to...We cannot reasonably do this in 2010 and expect to win. But that does not mean that we sit idle until 2012. There is an enormous amount of work - real work that can be itemized and placed on a timetable - that needs to get done. <br /><br />November 2012 is 39 months away. I could easily see there being no 72 hour period in which there was not some significant activity taking place to prepareJasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-31302611638764103332009-07-28T05:41:27.898-07:002009-07-28T05:41:27.898-07:00Wendy Sue: Your wise words are inspiring. Many of ...Wendy Sue: Your wise words are inspiring. Many of us do not have time to wait. We have waited long enough. But when I read words like those of Mark, I realize that we don't need enemies. We are so self-destructive that we will never achieve equal rights in our life time. Many of us deep down think we don't deserve them. Others are so politically correct that they will bite off their nosesJay Jonsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-70893786203037912972009-07-27T22:35:31.378-07:002009-07-27T22:35:31.378-07:00What I find uncomfortable is that I believe we sho...What I find uncomfortable is that I believe we should not ever, ever vote on fundamental rights. I'm utterly opposed to it, and think it's morally wrong. Why is there nothing but a return to the ballot box being proposed? It's always about when, not about whether we should do this.<br /><br />It was one thing to respond to a vote on our rights proposed by our enemies, but to PUT OUR Christie Keithhttp://www.doggedblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-3129708821739210592009-07-27T18:03:36.888-07:002009-07-27T18:03:36.888-07:00RESPECT-EMPOWER-INCLUDE
did we forget this somewh...RESPECT-EMPOWER-INCLUDE<br /><br />did we forget this somewhere!?<br /><br />i wasn't at the summit and i will just call it "the summit" not the leadership summit cuz something happen....<br /><br />all i know is i got a job to do and thats to get my rights back! my equality back!.... good job unite the fight i hear you! jessica mahoney team porterville caAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-66637181581756240702009-07-27T17:02:28.237-07:002009-07-27T17:02:28.237-07:00Wendy, I'm not going to support this coalition...Wendy, I'm not going to support this coalition of the willing right now given the current leadership that I have mentioned before. <br /><br />What I will continue to do though, is build coalitions among allied movements like immigration, anti-war, labor, and the qeuer community. Support transgender community, and youth, and queer families. We can all do our part in different ways.Mark D. Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12508873047127283895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-6549750733842081962009-07-27T16:39:45.563-07:002009-07-27T16:39:45.563-07:00Until we begin to look at the language use of ...Until we begin to look at the language use of 'them' vs. 'us', we will lose OUR fight for equality.<br />WE are in this fight for OUR civil rights together!<br /><br />As a long time LGBT activist, I came out 1976 as a Lesbian Feminist during the fight against Briggs, creating Act-up, Lesbian Avengers etc. along the way. The fight I have spent my life fighting for is against Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921262504053260370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-18872235083698546012009-07-27T12:30:24.614-07:002009-07-27T12:30:24.614-07:00Jay,
I know it seems like I"m sniping at Lov...Jay, <br />I know it seems like I"m sniping at Love Honor Cherish, but I really feel that people need to be brave enough to stand up against some of the things they are saying on behalf of our community. <br /><br />At the summit John Henning gave a completely false characterization of Rosa Parks that needed to be called out by others in the room. <br /><br />In their statement for 2010 theyMark D. Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12508873047127283895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-21910070087499791692009-07-27T12:12:36.952-07:002009-07-27T12:12:36.952-07:00I hope losing in 2010 would not be the catastrophe...I hope losing in 2010 would not be the catastrophe that some fear. I have yet to hear a cogent argument for why being on every single ballot from now to eternity is a bad idea, win or lose. <br /><br />Newsflash, this will likely be on the ballot again even if we were to win. You think the despicable opposition will go home sulking after a narrow loss? Personally I think they'd have to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-76396152278737133132009-07-27T12:06:10.257-07:002009-07-27T12:06:10.257-07:00This is depressing! What is happening to us? We ha...This is depressing! What is happening to us? We have to get over ourselves and get this mess overturned.Wonder Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16723949771552274515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-25719516656689755342009-07-27T11:31:36.039-07:002009-07-27T11:31:36.039-07:00Mark, I think your sniping at Love, Honor, and Che...Mark, I think your sniping at Love, Honor, and Cherish and your mischaracterizing of UTF's comments are exactly the kind of behavior that UTF has been lamenting. I cannot speak for UTF, and I assume that he or she will speak let us know what he or she is thinking, but nothing in what I have read says that he or she is leaning against 2010.Jay Jonsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-56369321078445236902009-07-27T11:06:59.252-07:002009-07-27T11:06:59.252-07:00I think you're right on here. I have no idea w...I think you're right on here. I have no idea who you are since your name is "unite the fight," though. ;)<br /><br />I'm glad you're moving towards not going back in 2010. We can't do it. Now is the time to heal, build coalitions, and propel our power to prevail to win.<br /><br />The more we prepare the more we will win not just marriage, but future progressive battles Markhttp://www.queertoday.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-39728514375842848352009-07-27T10:35:24.164-07:002009-07-27T10:35:24.164-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mark D. Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12508873047127283895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-69157365175406473842009-07-27T10:26:29.672-07:002009-07-27T10:26:29.672-07:00Keep in mind that this was the 2nd meeting that ha...Keep in mind that this was the 2nd meeting that has ever been held to discuss strategy post 8. <br /><br />The first was held immediately following the decsion to uphold the proposition, which was barely 2 months ago. This is gonna take time.<br /><br />I couldn't watch the entire summit. I hoped to be there, but the plans fell apart. I tried to watch from home and did see most of it...Patrick Connorsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-71716572240676343492009-07-27T10:19:56.019-07:002009-07-27T10:19:56.019-07:00"How can the grassroots stay active until 201..."How can the grassroots stay active until 2012?" This question baffles me. Even if we WIN in 2010 or 2012 our work will not be done. We have to continue to change hearts and minds, speak to those who oppose (don't understand) us, support LGBT youth and organizations that provide vital services to the community. Support faith and poc outreach.<br /><br />As for the "blueprint&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-50085268653849271122009-07-27T10:08:20.493-07:002009-07-27T10:08:20.493-07:00WSUEB- I fear we were at 2 different meetings whic...WSUEB- I fear we were at 2 different meetings which is exactly the point behind this piece, I think. <br /><br />As someone who has been very active behind the scenes in the organizing efforts I whole heartedly disagree with the concept that there are "stall tactics" or some sort of "conspiracy theory" behind anyone's efforts. Although I may dislike a couple of the Lochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06453219840146250217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-85069718382635921012009-07-27T09:57:49.308-07:002009-07-27T09:57:49.308-07:00A question that I have that I have not heard an an...A question that I have that I have not heard an answer to is why would it be so catastrophic to lose in 2010? Did anyone explain this at the summit? I understand that some people think we would not win in 2012. I understand that some people think we could use our resources more effectively on other projects or in other places. But several of the consultants mentioned as though it were Jay Jonsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-14752537764433044072009-07-27T09:51:22.619-07:002009-07-27T09:51:22.619-07:00MattyMatt, I do intend to write on the good that&#...MattyMatt, I do intend to write on the good that's happening. In fact, that's mostly what I do most of the time. I want to unite us. <br /><br />But sometime, to unite us, you have to point out the bad in order to fix it. Make us take our medicine per se. Call it out. Put it on the table. Then mend it. I will keep calling it out.<br /><br />The positive can come from the negative. If I Phillip Mintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680426451733583939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-6141218292036124082009-07-27T09:43:02.060-07:002009-07-27T09:43:02.060-07:00I think "utter" failure might be a bit h...I think "utter" failure might be a bit harsh -- at least folks got to network and discuss, and it was a learning experience for all.<br /><br />But I agree with you pretty much 100%. It seems like everyone wants to be the one in charge; the fighting and unwillingness to compromise is embarrassing. It reminds me of the behavior I saw during the Prop 8 campaign: ego ego ego.<br /><br />I MattyMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11350260366720888728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-3217679533490989472009-07-27T09:30:26.294-07:002009-07-27T09:30:26.294-07:00I agree, Jay J. with your point that many in our c...I agree, Jay J. with your point that many in our community are too comfortable. And others willing to give hours and donate to a campaign. But without effective leadership, the indifference won't change to action, nor will the willingness to commit to a campaign come to fruition. <br /><br />We have people who can lead now! They need to be willing to make unpopular decisions, be prepared to Phillip Mintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680426451733583939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-4236867086203892452009-07-27T09:29:40.146-07:002009-07-27T09:29:40.146-07:00I was there and I think we were at 2 different mee...I was there and I think we were at 2 different meetings. There was a proposed agenda sent out and was voted on at the start of the summit. Your assessment is full of the taste of sour grapes.<br /><br />I feel the summit was a success for these reasons.<br />The straw poll at the end of the meeting left little question that the large majority of us activists are ready, willing and able to go Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921262504053260370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-42636007555677163152009-07-27T09:22:17.362-07:002009-07-27T09:22:17.362-07:00Thank you for your impassioned post. It is a very ...Thank you for your impassioned post. It is a very sad situation. All this in-fighting helps no one but our enemies. We need to be able to disagree without all this drama. I personally favor going to the ballot in 2010. But to do so we will have to have real leadership. (Can we draft David Mixner?) We need the grassroots enthusiasm and commitment that we have seen in the Prop 8 protests and we Jay Jonsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4927755339790602529.post-27456947597682590212009-07-27T08:48:13.548-07:002009-07-27T08:48:13.548-07:00Straight up.Straight up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com